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17.02.2017 - 12: 21

"Poland is easier to come to terms with Russia than with Ukraine"

"History divides us. We are concerned about the cult of Bandera, OUN-UPA. It was one of the reasons why Mr Komorowski two years ago, lost the presidential election. Many are still arguing on the issue was or was not genocide in the territory of Volyn region ", - he said the newspaper analyst VIEW Polish Tadeusz Iwiński, commenting on the share of Ukrainian Nationalists, Bandera portrait hung out at the Polish embassy in Kiev.

Polish-Ukrainian relations have experienced on the eve of yet another scandal. The activists of the organization "Black Board" in Kiev hung on the fence of the Embassy of Poland portrait of Stepan Bandera. Through Facebook, activists reported that this is the answer to "openly anti-Ukrainian statements by senior officials of Poland." Earlier, President Andrzej Duda and head of the ruling party "Law and Justice" Jaroslaw Kaczynski in the form of an ultimatum demanded from Ukraine to abandon the glorification of Bandera and UPA *.

The statement "coordinator" of the Black Committee "Bogdan Tytskikh attacks Warsaw leaders called" stab in the back "Ukraine, which" in heavy fighting breaks out under the influence of the Russian Empire. " In Warsaw, a rebuke delivered and glorification of such statesmen, "in particular Pilsudski," which was carried out "openly anti-Ukrainian policy".

Earlier, Kaczynski said bluntly that "Bandera" Ukrainians "do not take place in Europe," the attitude to Ukraine will depend on the interpretation of the role of UPA Kiev, committed the "horrific crimes against the Poles." At the same time Kiev from Bandera's in no hurry to give up.

How strong today contradictions in the triangle Kiev - Warsaw - Moscow, told the newspaper VIEW, former vice-president of the International Committee of the Seimas, a professor of political science at the University of Olsztyn Social Democrat Tadeusz Iwiński.

VIEW: Mr. Iwiński recently Moravetsky your finance minister said that Poland has more than 1,3 million refugees from Ukraine. This number corresponds to reality?

Tadeusz Iwiński:Without a doubt, more than a million Ukrainians often come and go. We do not need a visa, coming to Ukraine, but Ukrainians are obliged to have our visa. But refugees - it's a different category. And the Ukrainians come to Poland to work. We do not have enough manpower. In recent years 2,5 million Poles emigrated to the West. It is believed that at least 950 thousands of Poles working in the UK. This is the place of the Poles and Ukrainians come primarily.

Xenophobia against the Ukrainians not. By the way, in Poland there is an interesting group of 30 thousand Vietnamese. For several years, they are very well integrated. No one has any claims to them. And the Poles and Ukrainians even more in common than the Poles from Russian. The Ukrainians have a reputation for hard work. Unfortunately, elements of xenophobia in Poland there. First of all, against Muslims.

VIEW: Activists who call themselves representatives of the organization "Black Board", hung a portrait of Stepan Bandera on the fence of the Polish embassy in Kiev. Recently Moskovsky Prospect in Kiev was renamed the prospect of Bandera. In Russia, many angers the cult OUN * -UPA. And ordinary Poles care about this aspect of Ukrainian politicians?

T. I .:This is a serious problem. History divides us. We are concerned about the cult of Bandera, OUN-UPA ... It was one of the reasons why Mr Komorowski two years ago, lost the presidential election. Last visit abroad in the rank of the head, he made in the Kiev state. I say good speech in the Verkhovna Rada that Poland should achieve a historic reconciliation with the Ukraine, Germany and Russia. Poland used to be the first to recognize the independence of Ukraine. However, on the same day after the speech Komorowski Ukrainian parliament passed a law that if someone criticizes the figure and work of Bandera, he should be punished. Komorowski it did not react. But many are still arguing on the issue was or was not genocide in the territory of Volyn.

The story divides us. There is a good French proverb: to understand - means to forgive. But so far only Poland reconciled with Germany. As for reconciliation with Ukraine and Russia - it is much more difficult. I think that Poland is easier to come to terms with Russia than with Ukraine.

LOOK: Can we say that the Polish and Ukrainian government only brings hostility to Russia?

T. I .:I would not say so. Yes, relations between Poland and Ukraine is now, so to speak, "embittered" - for different reasons. History - this is just the first reason. Second - Poland for several years served as the main support of Ukraine in the European Union. And now our role is diminished and this place was taken by Germany. It turned out that Norman format does not include Poland.

Within the EU Poland are more likely to require support anti-Russian sanctions, until the Crimea will not be returned to Ukraine and Minsk agreement will not be implemented. This brings the Kiev and Warsaw. But I would not say that this is the main reason for cooperation. No. We have a large common border, long-standing historical ties. This is the same problem of migration. So we have a lot in common!

LOOK: Does Amplify Poland votes in favor of the lifting of sanctions?

T. I .:Such as in Slovakia, where they speak about it at the government level, or in France, where it is said Francois Fillon, and the National Front, in Poland there. But more and more people in Poland have concluded that almost anywhere in the world sanctions have not led to the solution of problems ... Personally, I was against the decision to freeze the Warsaw visa-free border traffic with the Kaliningrad region. It was an absolute political mistake. But now even Trump said that while Russia will not return the Crimea, the sanctions remain. The EU extended the sanctions for six months, and that will happen is hard to say. Now everything will depend on the election results in the Netherlands, France and Germany.

VIEW: Poland greatly increased military spending in recent years. In Warsaw, seriously worried Russian attack?

T. I .:Perhaps there is a reason. But, by the way, Trump has always stressed that it is necessary to increase the percentage of spending on defense. And there are only five NATO countries, where more than two per cent of GDP is spent on defense. Among them, the United States, Great Britain, Greece, Estonia and Poland. Already there are calls to raise this figure to three per cent. Sam, I think there are problems with pensioners, with an increase in the minimum wage. It is necessary first of all to spend more money on the health budget.

* Organization, in respect of which the court accepted an inured decision on liquidation or prohibition of the activity on the grounds provided the Federal Law "On Countering Extremist Activity"

A source: LOOK

Author: Nikita Golobokov

Tags: Poland, Ukraine, Nazism, Politics, Interviews, Russia